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In 1992, the Commonwealth War Graves Commission announced that the grave of an unknown Irish Guards Lieutenant in the St Mary's ADS Cemetery was that of John Kipling although the decision has been disputed. The Imperial War Museum in London mounted an exhibition to tell the story of John Kipling in 2007.
John Kipling's grave. John Kipling (17 August 1897 – 27 September 1915) was the only son of British author Rudyard Kipling. In the First World War, his father used his influence to get him a commission in the British Army despite being decisively rejected for poor eyesight. His death at the Battle of Loos caused his family immense grief.
The unidentified Irish Guards officer was buried in Plot 7, Row D, Grave 2. St. Mary's ADS Cemetery is located about 1.5 miles (2.4kms) north of Loos village and about 2,500 yards (2286m) north-west of Chalk Pit Wood. Chalk Pit Wood is the location where the 2nd Battalion Irish Guards was in action on 27 September 1915.
Sep 25, 2015 · If the map reference used by the authors to dispute the location was that from the grave concentration record held by the CWGC than what evidence have the CWGC also got to say that this is wrong and that the correct reference placed the body in the right location to be Kipling. They must have something showing a different map reference ?. Craig
- Thank you for posting the link. Interesting......It still sounds rather speculative on the part of the CWGC that Kipling had received his promotion...
- He was still a second-lieutenant on Sunday 19th September 1915 (though looks like he wrote 1914?) Letters from the Archive John Kipling Mike
- I'll be interested to read the Holt's rebuttal if they issue one. I still am of the opinion the CWGC would not accept the evidence they did for som...
- Hi Sam, I'm reporting what the CWGC has said. I suspect this will not be the last word on this issue. Regards, Ronan
- Yes very speculative. In these situations I'm reminded of that criminal law term beyond a reasonable doubt. Based upon the evidence which was submi...
- I know nothing of this, apart from the newspaper report that Ronan links to. It seems to me that CWGC is relying on two speculations and regarding...
- This from his CWGC concentration record: I'm not very good at trench map co-ordinates but I think 36c.g.25.c.6.8 is between Mazingarbe and the rail...
- So the dispute over the distance seems correct then ? I must admit that I've never looked in to the Kipling situation but 5km would certainly be en...
- Incidentally the War Diarist refers to Kipling on the 27th as a Second Lieutenant - three times. Twice in the narrative of the 27th and in the list...
- If it makes any difference, Arthur Jacob was a second lieutenant Click Mike
1915. death Killed in Action Kipling was reported injured and missing in action in September 1915 during the Battle of Loos. A shell blast had apparently ripped off his face. With fighting continuing, his body was not identified. Loos, Pas-de-Calais, France Source:7102759 Source:6168379 27th September 1915.
John Kipling, son of Rudyard Kipling, was killed at the Battle of Loos in 1915. Born on the 17 August 1897, John was the only son of the famous British writer Rudyard Kipling and his wife Caroline “Carrie” Starr Balestier. John was born at the family’s residence in Rottingdean before they relocated to Batemans House, also in East Sussex ...
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These memorials became known as the “Kipling memorials,” named after John Kipling, who acted as an example for relatives’ need for closure. According to the Imperial War Graves Commission, the Kipling memorials “commemorate a soldier who once had a registered grave in a known cemetery but whose grave was not discovered when the other ...
