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Mother. Joan, Lady of Wales. Elen ferch Llywelyn (c. 1207 – 1253) was the daughter of Llywelyn the Great of Gwynedd in North Wales by Joan, Lady of Wales, the natural daughter of King John of England. Elen married John of Scotland, 9th Earl of Huntingdon, [1] in about 1222.
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Elen the Elder Elen was born about 1208. She was the daughter of Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth and Joan, natural daughter of King John of England. She is sometimes called Elen, or Helen, the Elder because another Helen is attributed to llywelyn, born a couple of decades later and referred to as Helen the Younger. Elen the Elder, also called Elen of Wal...
Date Estimation
Notice that Elen had no children in 15 years of marriage to John, but three daughters following her marriage to Robert. Her birth year is unknown but estimated as 1208, which would make her 14 at her first marriage in 1222, not uncommon in Wales, and make her 29 15 years later in 1237 when she married Robert. Her daughters with Robert would have been born after 1237, perhaps 1238 and 1240, when she was 30 and 32. Her youngest daughter Hawise is thought to be born in 1250, when she was 42. If...
Issue by first husband John
Her first husband John died childless on 6 June 1237, aged 30.
Issue by second husband Robert
She and Robert had three daughters, born after their marriage in 1237: 1. Anne, a nun 2. Joan de Quincy (-25 Nov 1284), married Humphrey de Bohun, son of Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex, & his first wife Maud de Lusignan 3. Hawise ([1250]-before 27 Mar 1285), married (before 5 Feb 1268) Baldwin Wake, son of Hugh Wake & his wife Joan de StutevilleTheir daughter, Hawise, married Baldwin Wake, Lord Wake of Liddell.
Wikipedia: Elen ferch Llywelyn (the Elder). Accessed Feb 26, 2016Charles Cawley. Llywellyn ap Iorwerth, entry in "Medieval Lands" database (accessed 18 April 2019).Cawley, John Scot, database entry (accessed 18 April 2019).John of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon, Wikipedia. John of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon- Female
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Dec 28, 2011 · He was married to Helen (sometimes called Ellen), possibly the natural daughter of Llywelyn the Great of Wales, who herself had previously been married to Mormaer Maol Choluim II, Earl of Fife. By Helen, he had three sons, including his successor Gartnait, and two daughters.
- "Helen", "Ellen", "verch Llewelyn"
- Aberconway, Carnarvonshire, Wales
- before 1230
Apr 26, 2022 · LIFE. Reference: wikipedia. Elen ferch Llywelyn (c. 1218 – 1253) was the daughter of Llywelyn the Great of Gwynedd in North Wales by Joan, Lady of Wales, the natural daughter of King John of England. Elen married John of Scotland, 9th Earl of Huntingdon, in about 1222.
Elen ferch Llywelyn 'The Younger' was born in 1230, in Cantref, Breconshire, Wales as the daughter of Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth. She married Domhnall I 6th Earl of Mar in 1266, in Kildrummy, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom. They were the parents of at least 3 sons and 3 daughters.
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- Domhnall I 6th Earl of Mar
Brief Life History of Elen. When Elen ferch Llywelyn was born in 1207, her father, Llywelyn ap Iowerth King of Gwynedd, was 33 and her mother, Joan Lady of Wales, was 20. She married John of Scotland Earl of Huntingdon and Chester in 1222. She died before 16 February 1253, in Cardiganshire, Wales, and was buried in Cardiganshire, Wales.
Elen ferch Llywelyn (Helen or Ellen) (1207–1253), married (1) John the Scot, Earl of Chester and (2) Robert II de Quincy. Susanna ferch Llywelyn (died after November 1228). Marared (Margaret) ferch Llywelyn (died after 1268), married John de Braose in 1219, and had issue. Secondly (c. 1232) Walter III de Clifford.
